The Power of Persistence
Eric Bell with Pamelyn Rocco
SEASON 2 | EPISODE 11
As a powerhouse health coach, PR guru, and devoted mother, Pamelyn Rocco knows that success doesn’t happen overnight. Pamelyn is the owner of party planning concept Bashery & Co, and founder of House of Health, helping women find their best selves through weight lifting, nutrition, and mindset.
In this episode of Turning on the Light, Pamelyn talks with host Eric Bell about how fitness and mental health are so intertwined, and why that inspired her to pivot her career from interior design to health and wellness. Plus, learn how she manages to balance work and family, the importance of goal-setting and a positive mindset, and why consistency is key.
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Eric Bell 0:00
Welcome to turning the light podcast. I'm your host, Derrick Bell. On this show, we normalize the conversation around mental health, and share honest and amazing stories of our guests about the ways we cope with life's up and downs. nurturing our body, mind and soul takes a lot of courage and vulnerability. I invite you to come be curious as we turn on light today. Perfect. So Pamela, thanks a lot for joining me today on turning on the light. And I'm really excited for this episode, I think that your story is going to resonate with a lot of people that listen to the show. And so thank you for joining me. Yeah, so tell us a little bit about for the listeners that don't know you yet, and are about to get to know you. Tell us a little bit about yourself? Who is Pamplin? Yeah.
Pamela 0:53
Oh, my goodness, that is a question. You know, when you're almost 45, you have a lot of, you know, you've lived a lot of life. So there's a long story there. But, um, to kind of make it a little bit short and sweet. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh, so proud of that. So I've always representing Pittsburgh, you know, whenever I whenever I can. And then you know, I had an 11 year stint in LA. And now I live in Nashville. But in between all those years, and all that time, I went to Duquesne University, I got my master's degree in business, I was the first person to ever do a joint degree program, which was an MBA BA. So I did a three it was three, two. So I did three years undergrad, two years graduate. So I had my MBA, I was 21 years old. So that was kind of interesting. Okay, all right. Marketing and Management, Business. And so, you know, that was interesting. You know, because I was like, then in this, you know, crazy workforce, whenever, like, my friends were in spring break, you know, and I was like in management meetings. But I like the path that, you know, that that it took me on. And so, I worked my way up, I was the vice president of marketing for a huge real estate development company in Pittsburgh, and I was stagnant. And I'm like, I just need more. So I started my own PR company, at the same time that I was in that position. And that led me to, you know, get all these clients all over the country. And I would like travel around. And it was so exciting, because I still had like this solid company, right? This like my meat and potatoes. And then I was able to be my creative self, and have all these other opportunities. And then my dad passed away when he was 58 years old. And it just kind of prompted me to be like, Pam, you have to live now, you know, like, do not just work away these years to then retire. And then like my dad, you know, passed away. I was like, you know, you just don't know what tomorrow brings. So, in my brain, I'm like, I just want to live now. So that's when I moved to California. So I was bicoastal for about seven years. So I do like half the month in Pittsburgh, work for that company, see all my people. And then you know, two weeks in Los Angeles with other clients and still working for that company. So that was that just like, you own my soul? You know, that made me
Eric Bell 3:40
okay. So there's no other, there's nothing, I mean, no business, but you're just like I just to your point your father passed and you're like, I need to do something different. And California seemed like the place to be for you kind of spoke your soul.
Pamela 3:55
Oh, I lived in San Diego for a year in my early 20s. And my mom ended up getting cancer. So I moved home to to, you know, be with her. And so I kind of always had this calling right to go back to California and nowhere else made sense to me. You know, I loved visiting New York and all but I wanted warm weather. I grew up in Pittsburgh, like I don't want these winters anymore. So, you know, and that proved to be one of the best decisions of my life was, you know, to move out there. But, you know, I still always came home so I just always tried to have this really good balance in life. And so, you know, and then you get married and you have kids and which is what happened to me. And then everything changes in and, you know, you reevaluate all the things and, um you know, i i Then It started a new company, whenever I first had I had my first child, so I constantly pivot. So I think that's like the key is every, every few years, I'm tapping into, like, what brings so much joy to my soul? And then I try to monetize that. Really? Yeah. You know, is
Eric Bell 5:19
is just a bit, you know, I was thinking about you took a risk, you're to start this PR firm, right? I mean, how did you mean, how does, you know, I think that's where a lot of people, they have an idea. And then they're like, what, why don't know what to do with this idea, or even how to start. So he would talk to me a little bit about that.
Pamela 5:42
I think what it comes down to is, fear stops you from doing everything. And, you know, I didn't know any more than the next person, but I had guts. I had the confidence within myself to know that no matter what, like in life, weather career, whatever it is, like, I will figure it out. I know that about myself. And so I think when you just think it's great. I think it's, you know, this confidence of just, and I think my mom, you know, kind of just put that in my brain. It was like no matter what, we figured it out, you know, we were poor. My mom was a single mom like we Yeah, but we always figured it out. And
Eric Bell 6:38
your, your attitude, you know, that you're really gratitude changes everything right? You You never saw the glass half empty, the glass was pretty much full every time you looked at it. So that's amazing. So tell me about your you get married, you're having your first child and you decide to have started another business you pivot from this business, right?
Pamela 7:00
Oh, no, I, after I had my first child, so I had to. So I stopped everything. Which was crazy. I always said that I you know, was going to work and I was never not going to be a stay at home. Mom, you know, it's the hardest job in the world. And I was just always going to work. And then just based on like proximity where I needed to be in Los Angeles with my husband, and you know, I had to I had to stop traveling like that, um, you know, we decided that I would take a step back from that, and, you know, start a family. And so quickly after I had my first daughter, you know, I had like ants in my pants and like, I just need to do something else. It just like, my creative being was screaming, like, you know, I need to be let loose again. So I started a party styling company in Los Angeles. And it was so funny, I say, so that I was pregnant with my second daughter, and I say I gave birth to two things in one week, I gave birth to my daughter, and then launched my new company the same way. And that was great, you know, and that, that was awesome. And I did that for you know, years. And I became, you know, I did a lot of celebrity styling, and I worked with big brands, so any brand that would come in for an event, you know, into Los Angeles, I would I would run that event somehow. And it was it was great. And then what I realized is that I couldn't, again, a pivot. So I went from doing the actual parties to styling shoots for companies for content, so it was way easier. So I would get paid more to do fake parties or fake you know, styling sessions to create this this awesome content for I mean, any brand new come at can imagine from Old Navy to Pantene to Walmart, you know, I was styling shoots for that. So it again pivoted to that, so
Eric Bell 9:21
what your, your pathway, you've where you do just trust, like does something, does something start to speak to you and you start listening to that? I mean, how do you, you know, how do you go from business PR, all of a sudden, now you get into party planning, like something had to happen where you're like, Oh, I think actually I got a pretty good I can do this right now. Or people started saying hey, would come to your party, maybe How did that start to happen and why would why did that happen?
Pamela 9:55
Yeah, every time I do some type of, you know, change in my life. It's I'm tapping into what brings me joy, and if there is a way that I could make a living out of it. And so with my, you know, when I was the vice president of marketing for this, this huge Lifestyle Center, a lot of it was party driven. And so I would, you know, create these parties for the city of Pittsburgh, I mean, anything from, you know, yoga in the park to Chili Fest to ladies night outs, like I was doing all of those parties, and that was really, really fun. And so, you know, when I was kind of just tapping into like, Okay, what could I do while still being home with these kids, but have trying to have some type of outlet. And that's really, you know, what I came up with, it was kind of, I guess, a little bit of soul searching, but then just an organic type of, of way, like, I was the one that would always throw all the friends, you know, baby showers and all I love doing all of that I been doing that stuff. Since high school, I was like, the head of the prom committee, you know, I was just always that person. And so it was a natural fit. I think, you know, when people asked whenever I give advice to people about like, starting companies, or what, you know, maybe their next step is and like, just like, tap, like, what brings you so much joy, you know, that you can make a living out of that. And listen, if you have, my mom always said to me, you know, she, she had a really amazing career, she was a aquatics director. So she taught like 20,000 kids how to swim right throughout her career. And she didn't make a lot of money. But she said to me, there's something about waking up every day and wanting to go to work. And I always thought about that. So when I had, I had some other jobs, you know, I was a buyer for American Eagle Outfitters, like I had all these other jobs that I quit. Because it was not bringing me joy at all. And I know, you know, people out there like, well, you know, we can't always do that. And I get that. And so if you don't have a career that brings you so much joy, but it's, you know, making you money and feeding your family, that's all good, too. I just think then you should also have something that just ignites this passion inside of you. Because that's, that's what life's about. I was I'm just fortunate enough to, yeah, combine it together, taking some risk.
Eric Bell 12:34
So that's, that's really impressive. So, so you're living in California at this time, you've got two kids, you've got your party planning, you're setting up for shows. And then then, I mean, shoots and other things. And then what happens? What took you there,
Pamela 12:55
we moved to Nashville. I mean, everybody came here. So we were we were one of the I call us the OGs. Like we came before COVID. So we moved in December 2019. And I had had some friends in Los Angeles that were moving here. And, you know, I'm from Pittsburgh, so it was closer to home, and just really great schools, and, you know, taxes, all the things. And so we just thought it was a really good, you know, move for family. And we got here and then, you know, three months later was COVID. So that was a little rough, but you survive, and you figure it out. But once I moved here, I knew that I didn't want to do any type of party planning or styling anymore. I had. Yeah, I had so exhausted that. Which is, you know, is how it goes. It's like every three, four years, here we go have
Eric Bell 13:57
this is pretty impressive. You seem to just keep just to your point, every three or four years something some new itch comes along and you decide to, to go follow that dream and pivot and change how much anxiety I mean, I assume that you you're stable, like your lifestyle stable so that you're like, Okay, I can make these pivots and changes because that would be what somebody would say is, okay, that sounds great for her whoever because they can make it work. But there's always a risk and in a I mean, there's still a risk that you're you're gonna you're gonna do something are inside of you. Did you ever think if I do this and I fail, does failure an option to you or do does that even does that even come into your brain?
Pamela 14:45
Well, first to your point, you know, it is not lost on me that yes, I you know, my husband, you know has a really good job and that's stable and so that's not lost on me that I had. You know that ability Need to kind of, you know, pivot when I wanted to. But every time I, I pivoted especially whenever I was Yeah. Are you still there? Oh, really? Okay. I don't see your face. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. I just didn't know if you were still there. Okay, your picture went away. So that's not lost on me. But every time I do make a pivot, it's not like I just quit something, and then start something new. I, for a period of time there, I'm transitioning, you know, into something else. So, for example, when I was doing the marketing, and then I, you know, I started my own PR company. I did both of that. Yeah, yeah, both of those things for, you know, a long period of time. So I just grind it out. And just, you know, work late at night and just figure it out. Until maybe I can then switch to like, just one thing. So I'm not that that risky, where I just quit something. And I'm like, I'm gonna have like, an Eat Pray Love adventure, and just not you know, I don't do that. I, you know, I'm, like, methodical about it. And I, you know, I'm not like, Yeah, well, it's
Eric Bell 16:38
interesting that you say that? Because I do think that you always hear somebody say, oh, it's an overnight success, right? Oh, they're an overnight success. And you're like, No, there's no overnight success. There's so many people that are bouncing, just like you said, you know, you're balancing two different jobs, you're grinding through one job trying to get to the next and then you make the jump the leap of faith and jump into the into the deep end. But nobody, I mean, maybe there are some overnight successes, I don't know, but it's not very likely.
Pamela 17:07
That drives me crazy. Ya know, that drives me crazy. When people say, you know, you had an easier, it was an overnight success, or, you know, she just gets lucky or whatever it is. And that's really coming to, you know, a major thing with, with what I'm doing now, where people think that in health and wellness and they look at somebody that's healthy, and you know, maybe the body that they want, and there is so much work, there are years, there's years put into that type of transformation. And everybody just wants this quick fix, they want the magic pill, they want the easy shot, and they just want to not do any work to get to this place of success with anything anymore. And it's like, that's just not Yeah, that's not how it works. You got to put in the work. And that's what I make super clear with, you know, my followers and my clients now in my health and wellness space. It's you got to put in the work like there is just no,
Eric Bell 18:17
let's go back to that pivot spot. Yeah. Let's go back to the bullet spot. When you decided to move to Nashville, you realized I'm not going to do the party planning anymore. COVID hits. Tell me about this new, you know, you got into health and wellness. Tell me how you did that. And what you know how that how did that come apart? How did that come apart? Apparently, it's been a part of your life for a while. And now you've decided to do exactly what you said, now you can monetize it.
Pamela 18:47
Yeah, well, just just to make note real quick. Yeah, to note real quick, though, when I so I've been in Nashville for you know, three and a half years or so when I first came, I transitioned to interior design. So I did that for three years. So I know, I know, it sounds so crazy. And I'm like, listening to myself say all this, like, oh my gosh,
Eric Bell 19:16
no, that's amazing. Because you have continued to listen to the voice inside and continue to follow a different path and you haven't, you know, sometimes you you know, the ego will tell you, you don't make that move. You're already here, you're already doing this, you're doing XYZ and then you're like, Oh, you got to stay in that spot. And, and I just admire you, you have never stayed in that spot. You've continued to grow and listen, and it'll be interesting to see what the next three years are like and then the next three and so you recreate your life a lot. So talk to me about that. What happened? You're doing interior design.
Pamela 19:52
Yeah, I think there's I think there's that question. You know that it's like, do you want to be comfortable or do you want to be happy So I don't like comfortable, I want to be happy. And so that's just kind of, you know what I always ask myself, but yeah, so I did interior design for three years. And it was amazing and fun. And I had a lot of, you know, exciting clients. And then I was also building my own home. So I was able to, you know, really kind of piggyback on that with a lot of different brands. So I got a lot of partnerships, you know, through that. So, again, that was fun, but then you get to a place with anything where it's like, okay, I'm putting in so much time, I'm not getting any younger, like, can I even scale this? Like, what is I can only take on so many clients, it's my time, there's only so many hours in the day. So I got to that place where I just felt, I can only make X amount of getting burned out, you know, trying to make more money trying to, you know, have more clients. And I just wanted to be smarter about the way that I went about working and spending the second half of my life on this earth, like, I just wanted to be smarter about it. And so, at that same time, I had always been really into health and wellness and working out. I mean, I was like, one of those girls back in the day, I would do like two a days I'd go to the gym in the morning, go to the gym. I mean, I was did all that. And then it like 42 or 43 years old, I was like, Why can't Why am I not looking like I used to look and why isn't anything working that used to work. And when I was in my 20s and 30s, nothing was working the same that it was supposed to work. And I was didn't feel good. I didn't feel like myself. I you know, I just didn't feel sexy anymore. And I just, I'm like, I'm not going out without a fight. I don't care how old I am. I don't care what anybody tells me, I'm supposed to look like or you know, I don't care, I am going to figure this out. And because I couldn't figure it out on my own, like I just again, I knew so much I lifted weights, I did all the things, but there just wasn't that those like magic ingredients weren't all working together to like transform, you know, and I wasn't understanding what was happening. I was like on this hamster wheel. And so I, you know, threw my hands up in the air and I hired a coach. For the first time in my life, I like invested in myself hired a coach. And I always would pride myself on being able to figure out anything, right. But there's also that point where if you exhaust all options in life where you try your freakin hardest, and that's what I tell my kids listen, we're going to try to figure this out to the best of our ability. But if it comes to a point where we can't, then we you know, we have to bring in the big guns or whatever it is, but we try hard first. And so yeah, so I hired a coach, it changed my life. While I was going through this transformation, I was so just my mind was blown at what women in their 40s Like what we're doing to ourselves to try to, you know, get to a place that we used to be and we're doing it all wrong. And so I went back to school for my health and wellness coaching certificate while I was doing all this because I was just and I really was doing it because I just wanted to know everything. I'm like, This is so amazing information. I want to know this for ever for longevity, and just, you know, so I can maintain this this forever. So yeah, so I went back to school. And then I started talking about it after I kind of did this 12 week transformation. And then organically. People started saying, Pam, will you train us? Will you coach us? And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I mean, like, I don't know, you know, let me just add something else onto this. And but one of my really good friends her name's Julie Solomon and she is this very successful women's business coach and she she's like, Pam, if somebody's asking you, if they can pay you for a service that you know you can provide. You say yes, and you figure it out. So that's what I did. Uh, I just really didn't have a plan. But I knew that I wanted to help women, I knew that I was so passionate about it. And I knew that out of everything in my life that I've done career wise, this is the one thing that like lit the fire more than and what do you think?
Eric Bell 25:21
Yeah. Tell me tell me, let me get back to you because you mentioned the 12 week plan. So I assume that this was you hired your coach, she put you on a 12 week plan, and something changed, dramatically changed for you? Is that right? What what all changed what I mean, without giving away every detail of what were the big, you know, the three biggest changes that you saw, during those 12 weeks, kind of mind blowing things?
Pamela 25:50
Well, what I saw was my body transform. I mean, that was, you know, what I could see with my eyes. But what I was learning is that, you know, we're not eating it eating enough protein, we are doing way too much cardio that is just burning any of the muscle that we do have left, it's burning it off. And then we're starving ourselves. We're not, we're not eating enough calories, we're constantly in a calorie deficit. So our bodies don't even know what our maintenance calories should be. So we think we can only eat like 1200 calories a day in, in essence, we're starving ourselves, we're spiking our insulin and our cortisol levels, which is adding more stress to our already stressful lives as their late 30s 40s. And we have so much added stress that we didn't have when we were younger. And so all of these spikes are causing, like the excess belly fat and things like that, that, you know, you always hear of a woman talking about. And so, yeah, it's really, you know, we grew up in this diet culture of like, you know, carbs are bad freakin you know, cardio is king, all these crazy things. That really, again, it could work when you're younger, like, that's fine, but it's just not gonna work now. And we need to build muscle and we need to strength train, and we need to lift heavy. And we need to progressively overload our muscles with the weights, because that's the only way you're gonna get the tone. Like you can go and lose all the fat you want. But if there's not muscle underneath that fat, you're gonna be skinny fat. Like, you know, and again, if that's what you if that's fine with you, that's fine with me. It just wasn't fine with what I wanted, you know, my body to look like? I
Eric Bell 27:42
mean, how, what do you mean? Did you were you just like mind blown about your energy level and the way that you felt? And you were like, I'm now eating more?
Pamela 27:51
Yeah, it was just, well, what was crazy is that it was like I was lifting. So such heavy weights, because this is another thing. It's like, whip. We've been lifting the same rigging dumbbells for 20 years thinking we're gonna have a change. I mean, nobody is increasing their jump, that's like no woman. I mean, we are now because thank goodness, everybody's talking about it. But it's like, I was doing, you know, lunges and squats with the same, the same weight forever. Well, you're gonna maintain a little bit, you know, if you're eating the right amount of protein and whatever, but you're never going to progress. And so that was the other thing is just, you know, lifting heavier. But what was crazy is that I was lifting such heavy weights, you know, for a woman for for my small build. And but I was shrinking. And so that's the myth out there is that like, women are like, Oh, my goodness. And that is like my mission to stop women from thinking this way. I can't do it. Again, I can see the shift a little bit. We're like, there. But there's still such a large amount of people that think that the heavier you lift, the bigger you're going to be. Now, listen, if you're not cutting fat, and you know, and you're still eating all these calories, and you're lifting Yeah, you're going to in essence, be bigger because there's fat on top of the muscle. But if you're doing it the right way, and you're shedding the fat and you're doing the resistance training, you're compacting like you're losing inches, and that's how you get that toned look that everybody's after, but they don't realize that you know, what it takes to get there and also building strength and building muscle. I mean, that's not an overnight thing that takes you know, that takes a long time to actually build muscle. So yeah, those are probably like the biggest you know, takeaways that I
Eric Bell 29:58
Yeah, and I tell people all that Schuyler important. It's interesting I was I've been thinking about some of the episodes that are going to be coming up. And a lot of it is, you know how to deal with the summer, right how to deal with the summer with kids your life. And so it makes me think, exactly. You know, I think about you right now and you've got kids, you've got a business to run. And but you have a priority, and you're taking care of your priority. And tell me a little bit about your commitment to continually being committed to yourself. As I listened to Matthew McConaughey, he did a live event last week. I don't know if your Did you see it? Did you watch it?
Pamela 30:40
Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, great. I watch snippets
Eric Bell 30:43
of area. And he talked about being selfish, and talked about, you know, if you don't, if you're not selfish, people think it's such a negative term selfish, selfish, you're selfish. But if you're not, then you're really not, you're not taking care of yourself, which therefore you can't take care of anybody else. And so I think that it relates to exactly what we're talking about right now. Tell me about your commitment to yourself. And how you get your, your other clients to take care of themselves. No,
Pamela 31:09
you're Yeah, no, that that's just so great. And I cannot stress that enough. But it's like that mom guilt and that horrible thing that we all put on ourselves. And, you know, for me, I know that when I'm the best version of myself, everybody else will be happier. And so whenever I decided that I was going to, you know, do this, this coaching for 12 weeks. Like, I set my feeling down. Like, listen, everybody, you know, Mommy's going to do this thing I'm gonna be working out in the mornings, um, you know, and I explained, like, why I needed it, how you can support me. And, you know, I think the boundaries is the is the biggest thing. And that's what I hear so much from every client is, you know, I can't take the time, I'm so busy, we can find an hour, four days a week, I mean, we can find that we really can't, you know, I have, I have surgeons that are getting up at 430 in the morning to like, figure it out. Because they know that if they do that, they will feel so much better, they will be happy, or their kids will be happier. But when you're first going through that, you can't even wrap your head around it. You know, and so a lot of my job as a coach is showing them how we can make this work and showing how it can be, you know, sustainable also, it's like I, I am teaching you something that is going to make your life you know, even that much better. And so you just have to trust me. And you have to switch your mindset to where you are important. You're actually the most important above your children and above your husband, and your family you are. And don't be guilty feeling that way. But that's really hard to say. And I was, you know, one of those people for sure. But once you switch that mindset, there's no going back, like, there's just no going back. And you really will conversely half year
Eric Bell 33:37
and we had did they take it? How did they was there a transition of support, like meaning like, you know, kind of old patterns, new patterns, new way of living kind of the struggle as you get to the, to the new way of the way you're gonna be living?
Pamela 33:52
It makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you know, I've always worked out so they would see me, you know, working out and all the things. But this was just a little bit more because it's like, I needed to focus a little bit. And I didn't mean me, I didn't want anybody to make me feel that I couldn't like almost make me feel guilty if I wasn't going to be there in the morning or whatever. So it was just kind of like a hey, heads up. Like, this is what I'm doing. And as far as a transition, I mean, a lot of the times my kids would just be in there with me working out. I mean, they would just you know, and then they got kind of used to it. Okay, Mommy's not here. She's gonna be back in 45 minutes. Like if I just give me one hour, like, that's all I need. And so no, they're I mean, they love it. You know, they're, they're really into it and they want to be strong and they do all the things with me and they have their little pink weights. And I think it's, it's also, you know, not making it I know ever made it like, I'm going to do this and you can't be a part of it? Never did I do that it was like You can be a part of it, I want you to do yoga with me every Sunday. We do like, you know, mommy daughter yoga. And I just think making them a part of it. And a lot of my clients do do that, you know, a lot of people now because of COVID have shifted to home gyms. So they're there with their families. And I'm like, invite everybody, you know, have them do do things with you, or just they can hang out with you while you're working out. You know, if that's what works best for your family. We can figure out a way like no matter what, but just putting yourself first is not at all. At all a bad thing, it will probably be the best thing
Eric Bell 35:47
for you. I assume you're not just working with females, I assume you're working with males as well. And what what do you that's true, right. Pamela? Do you have males as well? No men?
Pamela 35:58
I have no men and women take men?
Eric Bell 36:02
Are you just like, I just want to work with women? I'm
Pamela 36:08
yeah, you know, I don't want to say that I wasn't for sure. I mean, if you know I would I don't have a problem. I love men and you know, working with them. I don't have a thing like that. But I think my messaging and who I'm resonating with is just so this, you know, late 30s 40s 50s Like woman that is like, I cannot figure this out. What am I doing wrong? So I haven't even had any men interested in
Eric Bell 36:43
what's been your biggest I mean, I can imagine what it's been but tell tell me what some of the biggest joys that you've been able to see and some of the clients and what it's done for you. And, and it's not, it's not like you're, you're just talking about it, you're living this, so you're living it with them, as well, every day doing, you know, and showing your stuff online. So tell me some of the things that that this this has done for you.
Pamela 37:14
You know, I feel like I finally found something where I'm like truly helping people. And I've been like yearning for that. Where it's like, I just needed that portion. It was missing, or I didn't feel like what I was doing in life was helping people. And I didn't like that. And so and I mean, you know, yes, I was helping people but not like in that like, really life changing way. And so this, oh, my goodness, I mean, I can't even tell you like just to see, you know, inches lost and like the strength and just the confidence. I mean, I just want to keep going and just trying to get to like as many you know, women as I can. And so that's why, you know, through Instagram and all of these things, I just try to share as much information as I can and the messages that I get back all the time, the DMS and Instagram just bring me so it they keep me going because it's always like your inspiration like, you know, you're you, you're making me change this. Thank you so much for the tips. And again, I think it is because I'm doing the same exact thing that these women, you know, want to do or should be doing. And they're seeing my transformation. They know, I'm almost 45 years old, I have two kids, two C sections, you know, like, it's like, there's no excuses. And so when you see somebody that is just like you doing something, you have this feeling like whoa, if she can do it, I can do it. And that's, that's where I think I'm making the biggest difference.
Eric Bell 39:10
As we start to wrap this conversation up. Tell me a little bit about you know, there's the fitness portion that, you know, and then the mental health portion, right, they're kind of all intertwined. In my mind, I think, for me, you know, I'm sure that at some point in my life, I was a professional triathlete. And so you know, people always like well, what were you running from? Like? Well, I'm sure I was running from a lot for a long time. But it also was the the thing that helped me right, it helped me in my in my life and the fitness you know, and now I'm into, you know, working out and doing yoga and if I don't, you know, this morning, for instance, I had a major issue come up and I was like, I'm gonna go take care, go to yoga for one hour and take care of this before I can figure out how to take care At this other situation, right? So tell me a little bit about your perspective on health, wellness, fitness, and then the mental health side of things as well, and kind of what you've experienced yourself, and then what you've also seen in some of your clients. I
Pamela 40:18
think it's all encompassing. You know, I think that, well, first, your mindset is everything. And so that's one of the key components of my, you know, coaching program is, we do so much work on mindset. And we do work on the practice of unlearning. Because we can, I can go and, you know, give all these people, these new routines, and this new, you know, eating plan and macros and all the things. But if we don't take the time to unlearn all of these bad habits that we may we don't even think are bad, but whatever it is, prior to starting something new, you know, that success probably won't be long term, because you're going to, you're going to end up going, you know, back, and so mindset is everything. And that's really, I feel like, you know, I'm kind of talking people off the ledge, you know, every week and just pushing them and you know, and we're in, we do that we have like live zoom calls, and we have one on ones and whatever, you know, program you're in. But what starts to happen, if I can get those people, you know, which I do to switch that mindset. Everything changes. And when you have something bigger to like, look forward to or if you have, I think goals are so important for your mental health. And I think, again, as we get older, and we, you know, have children and families, like what are our goals, like our goals just kind of go away, because we're worried about, you know, our seven year old making travel softball and trying to get her like, you know, like, private lessons, or whatever. So we're worried about our kids goals, we can still have goals, too. You know, and I remember a friend of mine, when I got married, and I had my first baby. And we were really big into like vision boards and manifesting and all the things. And so I remember, I was at this party, and she said to another one of our friends, well, she doesn't have to do the manifesting and the vision boards and everything anymore. She's got what she wants. Like, I'm only 37 years old, and yes, I'm married, and I have a kid but my God, is this it? Like, do I not have the, you know, do I not get to have a vision board anymore? Because I just have this one, this one little area in my life that you know that yes, I dreamed of. But you know, but that's what happens. And then that starts to mess with your psyche, you know, it is so to have this goal that you we know that we're putting this work towards ourselves, and seeing what we can do like forever changes the trajectory of how our brain is going to think moving forward. And that's another piece of the program is the sustainability. Like, I do not want you to need me when you're done with my program, I want to have taught you every single thing you know, so that you can take this on forever, because the way that we teach it and that we go about it is so easy to stay on forever. Like I'm all about longevity, this is not some quick fix 12 week thing and then you're going back to like all the habits that that's that's not the goal. And so, yes, so part of this 12 week is the the mental health and you know, in in flipping that switch, and once you feel better about yourself, once you have more energy that of course affects your brain. The other thing that we're big in is the gut health. I mean, if you're eating bad stuff, and you're eating processed foods, and you're, you know, blood sugar is not regulated, and you know, everything is all over the place. You have Candida because you you know there's just too much gut dysbiosis and you know, you're drinking too much wine, you are going to feel like shit. I don't care. You know how many vitamins you get, you're gonna feel horrible. And so once we slowly start doing all of these changes And then the more successful you are, the better you want to be. And you keep going and going. But don't lose sight of the fact that that is gut brain related. Like because you're not, you know, feeding your body with so many bad things anymore, because you're in the program and you want to, you know, feel better. And you know that, then, you know, you don't it just, it's like this natural progression, right? Where it's like, people are like, Pam, I just, I don't know, I feel better, like, my brain isn't as foggy. You know, I don't have cramps is bad, like, all of these things that are so related to what we are putting in our mouse, that it's just, it naturally helps with your mental health that you don't even really know it. Yeah,
Eric Bell 45:56
I get it. You know, that makes sense. I think just, I mean, heck, I've done it before in my life, I've taken you know, I needed to take some medicine and antibiotic and you start, you know, it fixes the issue you they tell you take all the medicine, you quit taking the medicine halfway through, because you're like, Oh, this is fixed. And I think that's the same thing and almost in life, right? Change your life, you change your habits. And all of a sudden, you're like, Oh, I feel great, I feel amazing. And then you go revert back to the easy way, not the hard way, you revert back. And you think, you know, and then you wake up a week or two, three days, you know, three weeks later and think well, what's happened? It's like, Well, what did you think was gonna happen? Right? It's a consistent lifestyle change. And that's what I love, love that I'm hearing. And that's amazing. I do I respect that. I think it's amazing. You talking about goals and asking yourself and your clients goals, because you're exactly right. Somehow, some way. You got guilt, parent guilt, whatever, mom guilt, and you think that my goals are my kids goals. So whatever their goals are, that's what my goals are going to be. And to your point that just that's, that's not living, right, that does to your point, when somebody said, you're 37 and got one or two kids, and you're married, and you're like, Oh, so this is the pinnacle of life. Welcome to life. It's all downhill from here. Right? Tell at that point. So, but thank you for sharing that. Pamela, what, what is the last thing that you would like to leave us with? If you know, for some of the listeners, especially the women that are listening, anybody obviously can take your advice, but what's the thing that you wish somebody would have told you? In this process a long time ago, maybe to get you there faster?
Pamela 47:39
Yeah, I think it's never too late to start. And you do not have to you know, except that we How do I say this?
Just because people are getting older, and you know, things are changing does that does not mean that that has to be your reality like that. You don't have to go out like that. If you want to feel better and look better you can, your age has absolutely nothing to do with it. And I think people just kind of throw in the towel and just chalk that up. As you know, I'm getting older and this these are the things that happen. I'm more tired, I'm not going to have muscle mass, I'm you know, XYZ. And you can change all of that. Like, I promise you and I promise you, it's also not that hard. It really isn't. It's just putting the effort in taking the time knowing that you are worth it. Like you are worth it to change and feel better for the rest of your life
Eric Bell 49:03
ending on that one. That you're worth it. Pamela and where can people find you?
Pamela 49:12
My Instagram is house of Hamelin. My website is house of health by Pamela lin.com.
Eric Bell 49:20
Yeah, yeah, we will put all the show notes if you're listening. So you will have both her Instagram and website in there. And Pamela and it's been a joy to sit and talk with you. And you've you've had quite a life of pivots and changes and courage and listening to your intuition and it's just been amazing to sit here and be with you today as you've been able to share your story and and I think you're right, you've you found your calling for sure is helping. You know, you found it by helping yourself and then in turn, you've been able to help other people. Yeah, thanks so much for joining us.
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